[HIDE=Offtopic]Who actually has the time to notice all these visual error's, during a race that is. I'm amazed at how many little error's there actually are in a fully released game. Good work. [/HIDE]
Posted: 02 Mar 2015, 08:53
Abc
Manmountain @ 1 Mar 2015, 05:27 PM wrote: [HIDE=Offtopic]Who actually has the time to notice all these visual error's, during a race that is. I'm amazed at how many little error's there actually are in a fully released game. Good work. [/HIDE]
[HIDE=Offtopic]Actually, this specific game was rushed, too buggy [/HIDE]
can you give me more info about the TAZ files?
(milkfix doesnt currently host any TAZ files)
Track Zones (TAZ files) work as check point, the car (his COM Center Of Mass) must go on each one ...
Some "cars" like Bimota Tessy, or RL Vespa MP3 have a lowered COM under the floor, and if track zone don't go under the floor like Lego Tracks this cars can't finish the 1st lap .
Manmountain @ 1 Mar 2015, 09:27 PM wrote: Who actually has the time to notice all these visual error's, during a race that is. I'm amazed at how many little error's there actually are in a fully released game. Good work.
My to do list for Toy In The Hood 2 (track in progress) : more than 20 screenshots
Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 05:16
ThugsRook
^ you missed a few
theres something pointy sticking out under the floor, cant quite see it in this screenshot. its just infront of and to the right of the car.. (better pic posted below)
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non-textured wall behind the wall...
also, the kitchen floor isnt entirely reflective.
...and more to come.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 05:51
ThugsRook
here's more...
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Posted: 03 Mar 2015, 23:21
Kenny
You might also want to take a look at the second wooden bridge in the last area of the track (normal dir)
More specifically the edges and the bottom part.
Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 02:40
Abc
Kenny @ 3 Mar 2015, 02:51 PM wrote: You might also want to take a look at the second wooden bridge in the last area of the track (normal dir)
More specifically the edges and the bottom part.
don't forget the countless collision and camera glitches there!!!!
Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 03:05
Kenny
^thats not really the fault of the track but rather how the game deals with extremely tight spaces.
With that being said, for some reason the collision info of the bridge is twice as thick than what you can actually see, making this issue apparent for pretty much all cars.
However that can only be corrected by editing the ncp file, not to mention that it only "solves" the mentioned collision problems for smaller cars, bigger ones like Mouse or Panga will still have the same issues.
Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 18:49
Abc
Yeah...., actually its both engine and ncp itself
Well, NCP subsystem must be improved. i wish we could compile the ncps properly :|
Posted: 04 Mar 2015, 21:48
ThugsRook
...and the bottom of that 2nd bridge, is invisible from below.
Posted: 08 Mar 2015, 00:24
sebr
ThugsRook @ 3 Mar 2015, 01:21 AM wrote: [removed]
What am I suposed to see here ?
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This one is only a Visibox issue ...
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I know what we are seeing here, I hope I'll found a way to hide this
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Posted: 08 Mar 2015, 01:54
jigebren
sebr @ 7 Mar 2015, 07:54 PM wrote:What am I supposed to see here ?
There's a red circle that should not appear normally...
Hmm, no, I think the bottom of the house wall (being the fence) is disappearing.
Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 20:23
sebr
Because there is lots of work on this track
Here is the CHANGEOG of what I have already done in TOY IN THE HOOD 2
If you look carefully, there are flashing white dots on left and right of the portal
If you race in mirored mode all concave surface looks like hole (solved in rv alpha 15.0325 too)
Here is what happen in mirrored mode each time you look at a triangulate face made with 4 vertex
(solved in rv alpha 15.0325 too)
Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 21:32
Abc
Whaaaa, unbelievable, great work seb!
Man, What an eye.
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 07:05
jigebren
sebr @ 17 Mar 2015, 03:53 PM wrote:Here is what happen in mirrored mode each time you look at a triangulate face made with 4 vertex
Wait wait wait, what are you saying here? That sounds very interesting to me...
About NHood2, there's also an obvious issue with visiboxes when looking below the basketball hoop, a bit before entering the house, and a texture issue on the house wall just above that hoop (but I'm sure you know them already).
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 21:06
sebr
Wait wait wait, what are you saying here? That sounds very interesting to me...
About the "visibox issue" (Purple ring) i can't do anything
The best way to fix it is deleting visibox file
(I'll have a look if all that mesh is inside is bounding box, i had that issue on toytanic when I add a vertex outside his bounding box)
Off course the texture bug (red ring) was on my To Do list
And this bug is as INTERESTING to you Jig as the Triangulate bug
On a quad face each time you have a angle betwin edges of 180° or more you get this
On that house it is about 200° you have this poohty thing
I already found this here :
and here
And each time normal race and mirored race work differently with that (reversed race work the same way as normal race)
Posted: 19 Mar 2015, 01:44
jigebren
sebr @ 18 Mar 2015, 04:36 PM wrote:About the "visibox issue" (Purple ring) i can't do anything
Why? you don't feel like updating the .vis file?
On a quad face each time you have a angle betwin edges of 180° or more you get this
It has to be an issue they had when modelling and / or exporting the original track with Max or whatever (resulting from a not so safe modelling choice in a first time). A quad is made of two triangles, and there's two possibilities to cut the quad out, as you can see on the beautiful sketch below:
For a nice square quad as above it doesn't change much, but when the shape of the quad is no longer a convex polygon (see Wikipedia), one choice looks ok and the other like the house bug.
I'd be surprised to check if importing and re-exporting the W file in Blender is not enough to fix that glitch... I bet Blender will take the less stupid of the two choices and avoid this issue without any user intervention.
Anyway, this is just out of curiosity. This would not be the good way to fix that. When the quad has such an angle between two adjacent edges, better split it into two triangles to keep control on the triangulation (just as I presume you've done so far).
And each time normal race and mirrored race work differently with that
Can you be more specific? Do you mean that if the issue is noticeable in normal mode then it won't be in mirrored, and conversely if it is noticeable in mirrored it will never be in normal?
Posted: 19 Mar 2015, 03:33
sebr
jigebren @ 18 Mar 2015, 09:14 PM wrote:
sebr @ 18 Mar 2015, 04:36 PM wrote:About the "visibox issue" (Purple ring) i can't do anything
Why? you don't feel like updating the .vis file?
Vis file isn't my priority for now. I prefer finish all world files before starting something else
jigebren @ 18 Mar 2015, 09:14 PM wrote:
On a quad face each time you have a angle betwin edges of 180° or more you get this
It has to be an issue they had when modelling and / or exporting the original track with Max or whatever (resulting from a not so safe modelling choice in a first time). A quad is made of two triangles, and there's two possibilities to cut the quad out, as you can see on the beautiful sketch below:
For a nice square quad as above it doesn't change much, but when the shape of the quad is no longer a convex polygon (see Wikipedia), one choice looks ok and the other like the house bug.
I'd be surprised to check if importing and re-exporting the W file in Blender is not enough to fix that glitch... I bet Blender will take the less stupid of the two choices and avoid this issue without any user intervention.
Anyway, this is just out of curiosity. This would not be the good way to fix that. When the quad has such an angle between two adjacent edges, better split it into two triangles to keep control on the triangulation (just as I presume you've done so far).
You are true I split each quad problematic faces in 2 tris faces
Only the last quad face was turned as tris buy deletting 1 useless vertex
jigebren @ 18 Mar 2015, 09:14 PM wrote:
And each time normal race and mirrored race work differently with that
Can you be more specific? Do you mean that if the issue is noticeable in normal mode then it won't be in mirrored, and conversely if it is noticeable in mirrored it will never be in normal?
It's exactly this (If you remember i told you something like this in my 1st post )
Posted: 19 Mar 2015, 04:55
jigebren
Ok, I didn't know you were doing W only for now. Haven't you updated some NCP already?
And I totally forgot that first post...
SebR wrote:Only the last quad face was turned as tris buy deleting 1 useless vertex
Wait, I hope you're not talking about the one in the Blender screenshot... If that the case, don't do that!
I'm afraid I can't find a summary of basic good rules to follow in low poly modelling, but from my own experience I'm quite sure of this one, at least as far as Re-Volt is concerned: If you have two adjacent polygons, they have to share the same vertices. One polygon should not have one extra vertex along the edge of the other polygon. In the latter case this edge has to be broken to create an extra vertex at the same place.
Imagine you want to create this geometry (two walls, different heights):
Why? Well, first if you don't do it, during the 3D transformation the vertex of the right polygon may not always remain perfectly aligned with the edge of the left polygon. It means we'll see some weird pixels appearing through the junction of the polygons.
Second, in Re-Volt some effect like the water, I think the shockwave weapon too, etc. distort the geometry (that is to say the vertices position). If they move the right polygon vertex, the left polygon edge will obviously not follow (since it has no vertex to move at this place), and in that case you can have a very noticeable hole between the polygon (can bee seen eg. in Jailhouse Rock pool).
(Oh, and if you were not talking about this case actually then sorry for spoiling your topic, but the information maybe not be totally worthless anyhow).
Posted: 19 Mar 2015, 07:12
sebr
1) No I only do W (and some TAZ with makeitgood on Toytanic)
but may be some NCP was made from other peoples in Milkfix project
2) We are talking about the same mesh ... This mean that I have to go back to it
Posted: 28 Mar 2015, 19:47
sebr
CHANGELOG TOY IN THE HOOD 2 (Part 2) still in progress
I found this at 6 differents places (I think 1 picture is enouth )
With the help of alpha 15.0325 this pink house look as good in mirrored race (THX Jig)
The purple missing thing is only a visibox issue (like other on stock tracks)
This is 1 of the 6 useless white untextured wall already found an fixed on this track
(there is probably more to found ...)
Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 20:31
sebr
CHANGELOG TOY IN THE HOOD 2 (Part 3) still in progress
the big one is finnaly done
The dark area is only a fake pickup result
I didn't use TVTIME or MAKEITGOOD, only the normal race camera
note : I'm not starting a new track for now ...
I'm learning python and made my own script to decode world files at the same time (rvdump don't do all that i need)
Ok i'm a bit crazy ... But i want to learn programming and the only working way for me is to made something that I need
Posted: 27 May 2015, 17:44
Abc
now bottom looks odd O.o sebr
Posted: 28 May 2015, 00:21
MightyCucumber
Abc @ 27 May 2015, 01:14 PM wrote: now bottom looks odd O.o sebr
At least it's better than it used to look.
Outstanding job Sebr.
Posted: 31 May 2015, 16:57
sebr
THX MightyCucumber
Abc @ 27 May 2015, 01:14 PM wrote: now bottom looks odd O.o sebr
So what should I do to make it better ABC ?
note: Because my python script already do the job, I started SuperMarket 2. Buggy conveyor annimation already fix, video comming as soon as possible ... here is the video
note2: the only thing I can't understan is how EnvMapping faces are managed in the world file
Adding EnvMap flag to the face is not enouth, you must add 4 octet / face at the end of the file (but what value they should take ??? )
Posted: 01 Jun 2015, 11:40
Abc
The borders are green/grassy instead of wood
Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 17:54
sebr
With the help of my Python scripts I can "read" faster than ever World / Instances / Models / PRM files
So here are CHANGELOGS Updates :
- SUPERMARKET 1
modifying FIN file to move the copter to make it perfectly horizontal (without help of Blender or MAKEITGOOD)
add the missing right side of the copter prm (without help of Blender)
- TOY WORLD 1
modifying the "copter.m" to paint white faces (without help of Blender) models files update
(I'm working on the plane.m too)
- SUPERMARKET 2
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the buggy conveyor
some missing mirroring faces
it's the same copter prm as in Supermarket 1 with bad texture file
some missing mirroring faces
@ABC : I've updated the bottom of the Toys In The Hood 2 bridge, is it better ?
Posted: 13 Jun 2015, 20:53
MightyCucumber
Hey Sebr, quick question: can you work some way around the bottom of the crane in The Wrecking Yard? (even though it's from the Arcade, technically it's a stock track as well eheh) It's sitting unmapped right now, and outright ugly, it'd be awesome if you could give it a go and map it using the textures that are already in the track folder (but alas unused). I think some other spots of that track in particular could use a touch or two as well.
Also, after you're finished with this, are you planning on editing some errors on the best user-made tracks? (Re-Ville, Petro-Volt, Jailhouse, etc...)
and add some picture please, i'll take a look if i found time ...
Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 01:00
Kenny
Hey sebr, I was wondering if the files you put up in your first post only contain your modifcations/fixes (and not any other ones like the ones from the "Milkfix" project)?
If not then I assume at least the "museum 2 special milkfix edition" does, what exactly does it contain on top of your modifications?
Also perhaps you want to take a look at the museum allos.prm model, it looks like a lot of its faces are untextured (the other dinosaur models might have this too).
Though considering the fact that these surfaces are vertex painted to blend in with the textured faces I guess this is intended, it only becomes appearant when a light source gets close to the model, like a pickup spawning close to it.
umm, regarding all this clutter and since milkfix rip, Where i can download a packed zip? the milkfix link?
Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 22:47
sebr
Kenny @ 13 Jun 2015, 08:30 PM wrote: [...]Also perhaps you want to take a look at the museum allos.prm model, it looks like a lot of its faces are untextured (the other dinosaur models might have this too).
Though considering the fact that these surfaces are vertex painted to blend in with the textured faces I guess this is intended, it only becomes appearant when a light source gets close to the model, like a pickup spawning close to it.[...]
Good news Kenny allos.prm and tricer.prm are now fully textured
download again muse2.zip from the 1st post to see how it's look like
screens will come as soon as possible
Abc the link to the last Milkfix I get is on my previous post (I think it's the penultimate one)
Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 06:14
MightyCucumber
Hey Sebr, here goes, in case you find time (and since technically this is a stock track ). This is the error I told you about:
It'd be awesome if you could map those gray areas somehow.
Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 13:11
Kenny
sebr @ 21 Jun 2015, 06:17 PM wrote: Good news Kenny allos.prm and tricer.prm are now fully textured
download again muse2.zip from the 1st post to see how it's look like
screens will come as soon as possible
Thanks, looks great now
While looking at your fixed files I noticed that the .w are is a bit larger than the originals, is that because you manually added polygons/vertices to the level where it was necessary?
Also I think it would be quite useful if you added a version number to the download links so people will know when an existing stock fix has been updated.
Additionally a readme/changelog that lists what you have changed in the files would be neat (doesn't need to be greatly descriptive, just to have an overview of the fixes)
MightyCucumber wrote:It'd be awesome if you could map those gray areas somehow.
I'm not sure if its possible to "fix" this, simply due to the fact that there might be no texture that could be used and that it was meant to look like this (which at first glance looks like thats the case to me).
The one sided transparent faces on the cabin and the frame might be a different case, though I'm not sure if it would make the whole thing look better.
Posted: 22 Jun 2015, 14:31
MightyCucumber
The texture is there alright (ovaltrackg.bmp):
Let's just hope something can be done about it.
Posted: 24 Jun 2015, 03:52
Abc
BTW, latest milkfix includes my garden cam, i could upload the copies of the milkfixes i've downloaded.
Lol, looks like the model or instance or world is the problem, should be easy to fix (or maybe is the texture)
As you may seen, rv devs left a lot of odd stuff scattered over the whole game.
Posted: 29 Jun 2015, 22:47
sebr
Kenny @ 22 Jun 2015, 08:41 AM wrote: While looking at your fixed files I noticed that the .w are is a bit larger than the originals, is that because you manually added polygons/vertices to the level where it was necessary?
It's what I did
Kenny @ 22 Jun 2015, 08:41 AM wrote:Also I think it would be quite useful if you added a version number to the download links so people will know when an existing stock fix has been updated.
Additionally a readme/changelog that lists what you have changed in the files would be neat (doesn't need to be greatly descriptive, just to have an overview of the fixes)
The changelog is this topic. About readme and version number, I'll think about it...
MightyCucumber wrote:It'd be awesome if you could map those gray areas somehow.
Thanks Sebr, outstanding work! Now I can finally look at that crane without cringing a bit.
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 18:30
sebr
Some old Update
This model shoold be compatible with all aerials packs
Remouving Facet Like shape on green and blue part ...
Posted: 21 Sep 2015, 03:58
Phantom
This is cool. I remember most of your fixes were included in the milkfix patch.
But since the milfix is dead now, do you know what else apart from your fixes was included on it?
Posted: 21 Sep 2015, 10:46
Abc
Hm, what about an updated index (yes, the year are wrong at some places in first post) and a massive upload of all the work for the lazy people
and maybe more stuff...
Posted: 25 Feb 2017, 19:45
sebr
After a long pause I'm coming back to this project ...
Toys In The Hood 1 is not finished but Here is some screens of what's already done
colours change according to the point of view
I think this one was already on milkfix (nhood1f.bmp)
I think this one was already on milkfix (nhood1b.bmp & nhood1f.bmp)
I think this one was already on milkfix (bmw.prm & bmw2.prm)
I think this one was already on milkfix (bmw.prm & bmw2.prm)
can be noticed only if you use inside view (manualy add some vertices and faces)
stay tuned
Posted: 28 Aug 2017, 23:40
ZeroContrast
Toy World 2 hole in the ramp near practice star placement.
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too buggy 
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